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#11 Catman

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 01:11 AM

Not surprisingly, I started this topic with the simple idea of adding s stick PC to my set-up, and it has evolved into a major project of replacing my desktop PC with something new that will provide a major upgrade to my whole system. As my posts in this topic reveal, I've decided to add a high spec small gaming PC, not because I plan to take up gaming, but because that's the type  that will provide the highest specs for the dollar. In my research I've broken it down to the three possibilities I've pictured here in this topic. All three have very similar high specs, and have been highly recommended by the "experts". What has become the deciding factor is availability.  I tried to find one with an i7 Intel processor, and 16 GB of memory, but I just couldn't find that in any of the ones available to me..........not to mention they were priced beyond my budget anyway. What I have found as an acceptable alternative is the ASUS GR8 II with the i7 processor, but with only 8 GB of memory.  Frys and Amazon both have it for around $1100 with immediate availability. That's still stretching my budget, but hey, you only live once, and in my case not for much longer! :wink: :biggrin:    Incidentally, the specs on that PC are high enough to allow for VR (virtual reality).........something I MAY look into if I stick around here long enough. :biggrin:



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Posted 24 October 2017 - 04:54 AM

Since my new PC will be "VR Ready" (meaning its' specs are high enough)  then I will presumably be able to view VR video on games or other VR video thru my PC......... with a proper headset, of course, such as Oculus Rift or HTC Vive. This whole VR thing is still in its' infancy, but who knows where it will go(?). It's still in the development stage, but it will be interesting to see if it can be applied to regular movies..........they're working on it.  I'm guessing it will go the same way 3D did. Anyway, I see that gay and straight VR porn is already showing up on the net.  Hmmm.........interesting.  :wink: :biggrin:



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Posted 28 October 2017 - 01:09 PM

In response to my getting a new computer, I suppose you all are thinking "Oh no........Here we go again!! "  :lol:  Well, I don't blame you as I do tend to get carried away with my projects like this. Fortunately this one may be coming to an early end with some new developments. Much to my surprise Ken is going along with the idea, but he is very much against my getting anything that can be called a gaming PC. To quote him......."You will not use it for gaming, so why waste money on a machine with gaming specs that will only cost much more." With that in mind I changed my focus to basic everyday general purpose machines with high specs, but at a more reasonable cost. When it comes to small desktops of that nature, HP is strong in that category with their Slimline series. I've finally settled on Slimline 270 model with amazing specs, but at a reasonable cost <_<  I'll have to order it from Amazon, but I'll just use Ken's Prime account. It does have a model name, but specs on it vary according to origen, so Ill just give you those that are in the Amazon listing.  I hope they're accurate.

2018 HP Slimline 270 Premium High Performance Business Desktop series

Intel i7-7700 Processor

16 GB of Ram

Intel HD-30 Graphics

500 GB SSD Drive  (Not HDD)

And of course Windows 10

Wt. 9.7 lbs.    3.9 x 12.1x 10.8  inches

USB Keyboard & mouse

 

Pretty impressive specs, huh??  BUT at a hefty price of $899.00  (Reduced from $1999.00)  That is less, however than what I would have paid for the gaming machine, so Ken is still happy. :wink: :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 11:44 AM

Well, I finally did get a new desktop PC, but it wasn't exactly what I had been looking for.  It's the midsized HP Pavilion 560-p015. I made the mistake of taking Ken with me shopping, and when this display model was on sale he insisted we take the bargain price of $540. Actually, it does save me lots of $, but I really wanted something smaller. Specs are actually pretty good........i5 processor, 8 GB mem., 1 TB HDD and 128 GB SSD. Windows 10 of course. We set it up the same day, and because I'm also keeping my old Acer active for the time being, we did run into a few glitches. Everything seems to be running properly now. I'm still using Internet Explorer for now and  I'm finding a few minor differences, but many of the old problems I was having have gone away. Ken says he sees better picture quality with the new PC, but so far it looks pretty much the same to me. <_<  Everything is faster though. Wha'ts next on the agenda??........why Virtual Reality, of course. :wink: :biggrin:  More on that in the VR topic.



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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:25 AM

Well, I wasn't surprised but the display model HP PC that Ken talked me into turned out to be defective, so of course we returned it. For the time being I'm back to using my old Acer PC until I can find just the right replacement. . While we did have the HP model working I could tell that the Windows 10 was going to be a real hassle for me to get used to.  In that regard, I have learned that there are still desktop PCs available on Amazon that are available with Windows 7 Pro (with free upgrade to Windows 10 if you wish).  These are not all refurbished as you might guess, but some are real new PCs with up to date specs. Dell has the most models, but Lenovo and Acer also have a few. I have tentatively decided on a Dell OptiPlex 9020 model, with Intel i5 proc., 16 GB of RAM, and 500 GB SSD drive, AND most importantly the Windows 7 Pro.   There are cheaper versions, but that one will cost $900.  I had hoped to spend less, but I can't resist specs like that with Win. 7 too. If Ken doesn't give me a hassle I hope to order it from Amazon today. As usual, stay tuned :wink: :)

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 03:22 PM

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I'm waiting for Ken to help me to place that Amazon order (he gets Prime),  but I'm beginning to wonder which is more important for the best PC..........the large SSD drive, or a Radeon dedicated graphics card??  The one with the 500 GB of SSD only has integrated graphics. I could save $100 by choosing the graphics card plus 2 TB HDD. Any opinions?



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Posted 07 November 2017 - 04:03 PM

Either way will work fine in my humble opinion BUT the SSD will make start up and reboots MUCH so MUCH faster. As for the graphics, the power you need for streaming and viewing video will work ABSOLUTELY fine with the integrated and the dedicated with work better with graphics INTENSIVE gaming and ADVANCED VR beyond simply viewing VR "ready" video. If it were me I'd opt for the dedicated graphics and HDD and add my own SSD with a clean OS install BUT to be truly honest, the integrated graphics and SSD will likely perform wonderfully for your individual applications and use. Ask Ken about my opinion. :love3:


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:30 PM

Thanks for your input, CC, but I still can't decide which way to go. One of my problems with my old PC has been how slow it is now, and I thought the idea of the 500 GB of SSD would really be helpful in that regard. On the other hand  a good dedicated graphics card would be helpful down the road if I should decide to dabble in VR.  Ken thinks VR will be too complicated and technical for me and I do tend to agree with him. With that in mind I guess the SSD and integrated graphics would be my best choice.  I could always upgrade my graphics later, but I hear that can get quite expensive. Come to think of it, I probably won't be around that much longer for any of it to make any difference.   :wink: :biggrin:  It all goes to Ken eventually anyway, so perhaps I should just let him decide. <_< :)



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 07:07 PM

Well, It wasn't without some degree of hassle from Ken, but we finally got a new PC ordered thru his Amazon account, and it should be delivered by Friday. As ChadCox and I discussed in previous posts, I couldn't decide whether to opt for a large 500 GB SSD drive and integrated graphics, or just a 2TB  HDD with a good dedicated graphics card. I finally decided to go with the latter because I felt it would give me the most all around benefit  for the way I use the my PC now. I can always upgrade later if I should find the need. Over Ken's objections, I decided to go with a Windows 7 Pro machine with a free upgrade to Windows 10 if I should need it later. Ken's objections were based on his feeling that I would eventually need Windows 10, but he was okay with it once he found out about the upgrade option.  We also disagreed on how much to spend, but he was okay once he realized what a bargain I was getting.  Besides all the Windows 7 desktops listed on Amazon, the Dell home site had a large selection of it's own on sale, in many cases the very same PCs. The same Dell Inspiron model I bought from Amazon for $805 was originally listed on the Dell site for $1,213, but had been reduced to $849.........Amazon STILL saved me $44. :biggrin:  When you come down to it, it really is a lot of PC for the money.  Briefly on the specs.........Windows 7 Pro (+ Windows 10 upgrade), Intel i7 quad core pros., 16 GB RAM, 2 TB HDD, and Radeon R9 dedicated graphics. Of course a wide array of USB slots + HDMI. I'll try to include a pic here. Since I won't have to struggle to learn Windows 10 ( for a while, anyway :wink: ), I should enjoy a smooth transition from old to new. It may take us a few days to get it set up, but I'll post my reactions after we do. :)

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:18 PM

Well, It wasn't without some degree of hassle from Ken, but we finally got a new PC ordered thru his Amazon account, and it should be delivered by Friday. As ChadCox and I discussed in previous posts, I couldn't decide whether to opt for a large 500 GB SSD drive and integrated graphics, or just a 2TB  HDD with a good dedicated graphics card. I finally decided to go with the latter because I felt it would give me the most all around benefit  for the way I use the my PC now. I can always upgrade later if I should find the need. Over Ken's objections, I decided to go with a Windows 7 Pro machine with a free upgrade to Windows 10 if I should need it later. Ken's objections were based on his feeling that I would eventually need Windows 10, but he was okay with it once he found out about the upgrade option.  We also disagreed on how much to spend, but he was okay once he realized what a bargain I was getting.  Besides all the Windows 7 desktops listed on Amazon, the Dell home site had a large selection of it's own on sale, in many cases the very same PCs. The same Dell Inspiron model I bought from Amazon for $805 was originally listed on the Dell site for $1,213, but had been reduced to $849.........Amazon STILL saved me $44. :biggrin:  When you come down to it, it really is a lot of PC for the money.  Briefly on the specs.........Windows 7 Pro (+ Windows 10 upgrade), Intel i7 quad core pros., 16 GB RAM, 2 TB HDD, and Radeon R9 dedicated graphics. Of course a wide array of USB slots + HDMI. I'll try to include a pic here. Since I won't have to struggle to learn Windows 10 ( for a while, anyway :wink: ), I should enjoy a smooth transition from old to new. It may take us a few days to get it set up, but I'll post my reactions after we do. :)

I think it's a sound choice! The win10 upgrade could be a "new, clean" install on an added SSD later for that speed benefit, but honestly that speed is not nearly as noticeable in the "viewing" and "watching" as much as in the starting, stopping, and starting of processes like boot and restart. I think you'll never need another machine again! Congrats!


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